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Unsorted: · 2001-2003 · 2004: gen-apr/mag-ago/set-dic · 2005: gen-apr/mag-ago/set-dic · 2006: gen-apr/mag-ago/set-dic ·


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«Following publication of this article, Wales offered the following on-the-record comment in an e-mail to NewAssignment.net editor Jay Rosen:

"'Instigator' does not mean 'founder' is the main other comment I would make. My claim in this matter is quite simple, and this is on the record:

"Larry Sanger was my employee working under my direct supervision during the entire process of launching Wikipedia. He was not the originator of the proposal to use a wiki for the encyclopedia project -- that was Jeremy Rosenfeld. And Larry has himself publicly stated, 'To be clear, the idea of an open source, collaborative encyclopedia, open to contribution by ordinary people, was entirely Jimmy's, not mine.'

"His role in the early days of Wikipedia was important -- he was considered the 'editor-in-chief' -- but it was not the role of founder. Larry was never comfortable with the open wiki process, and he has been critical of it from the beginning and to this day."

Larry Sanger replies:

"If you view the archives listed on http://www.larrysanger.org/roleinwp.html you will discover several things:

That I worked largely independently of Wales, who was an extremely "hands-off" manager. While I was organizing Wikipedia, Wales was in the background and focused on Bomis.com.

"That, from 2002 until 2004, Wales himself approved three Wikipedia press releases that called me a founder. I was called a founder in virtually all news articles, from the New York Times in September 2001 until Jimmy started leaving me out of the story of Wikipedia's origin in 2004.

"That Wales first mentioned a Jeremy Rosenfeld in 2005, four years after the events. Until then, the only story in circulation was the correct one: that I had the idea for Wikipedia while talking to a friend, and that I then asked Wales to set up the wiki.

"These facts, which Wales has been trying to dismantle since 2005, are all in the record. I'll make Wales a deal: I will stop immodestly defending myself if he will stop attacking me publicly in his deceitful and embarrassingly self-serving way.")»
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«Following publication of this article, Wales offered the following on-the-record comment in an e-mail to NewAssignment.net editor Jay Rosen:

"'Instigator' does not mean 'founder' is the main other comment I would make. My claim in this matter is quite simple, and this is on the record:

"Larry Sanger was my employee working under my direct supervision during the entire process of launching Wikipedia. He was not the originator of the proposal to use a wiki for the encyclopedia project -- that was Jeremy Rosenfeld. And Larry has himself publicly stated, 'To be clear, the idea of an open source, collaborative encyclopedia, open to contribution by ordinary people, was entirely Jimmy's, not mine.'

"His role in the early days of Wikipedia was important -- he was considered the 'editor-in-chief' -- but it was not the role of founder. Larry was never comfortable with the open wiki process, and he has been critical of it from the beginning and to this day."

Larry Sanger replies:

"If you view the archives listed on http://www.larrysanger.org/roleinwp.html you will discover several things:

That I worked largely independently of Wales, who was an extremely "hands-off" manager. While I was organizing Wikipedia, Wales was in the background and focused on Bomis.com.

"That, from 2002 until 2004, Wales himself approved three Wikipedia press releases that called me a founder. I was called a founder in virtually all news articles, from the New York Times in September 2001 until Jimmy started leaving me out of the story of Wikipedia's origin in 2004.

"That Wales first mentioned a Jeremy Rosenfeld in 2005, four years after the events. Until then, the only story in circulation was the correct one: that I had the idea for Wikipedia while talking to a friend, and that I then asked Wales to set up the wiki.

"These facts, which Wales has been trying to dismantle since 2005, are all in the record. I'll make Wales a deal: I will stop immodestly defending myself if he will stop attacking me publicly in his deceitful and embarrassingly self-serving way.")»
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He said he always thought Wikipedia would be developed together with another more "mature" encyclopedia, such as Nupedia, that would edit the Wikipedia content and release accurate versions of the entries.

"As it turned out, Jimmy Wales, who pays the bills, decided he liked Wikipedia and didn't like Nupedia so he let Nupedia die," Sanger said.

He said he stopped working for Wikipedia at the beginning of 2002 when the company told him they could not pay his salary anymore. They did invite him to stay on as a volunteer, but he declined.

"I had come to the conclusion that I didn't want to have anything to do with Wikipedia as it was being allowed to develop," he said. "The problem was that there was no credible way whereby articles would become approved. We had talked about an approval process for a long time but no action was ever taken on it."»
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